6-3 Supreme Court on the California Strawberry Unions.

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Whatever our 6-3 Republican Roberts court can do to strike a blow against Unions, let it to them. Maybe, were supposed to dial 1-800-Biden's Supreme Court Study team? When ever the hell that's supposed to be? But, then again, See the Democrats in the fucking minority in the House, Senate, Governorships, and IF Biden can't do nothing now, what in the hell can he do then ? Ole Well...

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Hugo Stiglitz

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Having actually read the article for me it's a trespassing thing more than anything else. If you don't have any business on my property other than trying to fuck with my workers why are you there? You could always set up camp off my property and talk to them as they come out. It's like fucking telemarketing. Why the fuck are you calling me when I don't want you calling me? Buy a fucking billboard. Make a commercial. Stop fucking with me.
 

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The way it should work is simple: The union contacts the business and asks to address the employees. The business then sets up a date where the union can come in and make a presentation.

That's that. The union gets to make it's pitch, the workers get to decide.

But what it has turned into over the decades is a huge pissing contest about employers that want to block the union and unions that want to undermine a companies rights.

There's really no clear winner here. And frankly, the biggest loser turns out to be the employees.

Every.

Single.

Time.
 
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What’s it’s about is Federal Law.

workers have the right to unionise !

The shit was set up a long time ago in the FDR days.

It has nothing to do with trespassing.

Employees have the right to organise, and the workers make the decision! Not the fucking bastard company. End of story.

That’s federal law.

The Union has the right to access to those workers. Those workers have the right to access to Union. In order to organize.

All this shit is are companies, big businesses, small, medium, Ag businesses trying to BLOCK Unionization.

What fucking amazes me is back in 1978, even when I was in high school, even I knew this! Growing up in a Union household, I knew little things like this.

And, here we are 2021, and this fucking country doesn’t even understand this.

How far this country has fallen down.

Biden had better do something, and get that Pro Act passed.

where I work now, the Union goes our and tries to her people to sign union cards, and they organize, without asking for permission!!

because they know they don’t have to !!!

The Walmart down the road has already had union people in the store in the past.

Yes, From now on I call it the 6.3 court. The old rich white man court. For the billionaires ( and rich democrats too ).
 

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My point is that it used to be about courtesy, respect and the rule of good faith negotiations.

Running onto a farm in the middle of harvest and bringing work to a halt unannounced is not good faith negotiation, which unions and employers both are bound to under the law.

That is what was happening on a pretty grand scale. The unions were damn near terrorizing farms by constantly bringing work to a halt rather than setting up presentations in good faith.

Or at least that's the way I'm reading it.
 

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I've only had one union experience. Charleston Litho circa 1990.

Henry, the guy that owned the place, swore that if we ever went union, he just shut the place down, sell off the equipment and retire.

I believed him. Most of us did. He was old school, old money Charlestonian.

But that didn't stop the union from trying. Henry let them come in the first Friday of every month at 4pm.

You could either work and get paid or clock out at 4 and listen to the unions sales pitch.

Most people just clocked out at 4 and went home.

I listened to their pitch exactly once. It sounded like they got a hell of a lot more out of it than I would.

It would have helped out the lower paid people like bindery operators, but as a lead pressman. It wouldn't have done a thing for me.

So I sided with Henry. What was the point?

But ultimately to the day it finally did shut down, the first Friday of every month at 4pm, the union reps were in there giving the sales pitch.

The closure of the Naval base killed off pretty much everything though, including the unions.

That's why I moved back to Atlanta.

The point though is that both sides acted in good faith.

The union got its time every month. Henry told us his position only once. There was no union guys following us home or waiting in the parking lot or sneaking in the back door bringing production to a standstill.

That seems to be what was happening a great deal in California.
 

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There is none.

There is no respect, or those things. That is a land of Smurfs. Those workers are only all there during harvest. They are Mobil, and gone the rest of the time! The company knows this. They use this tactic themselves to keep inspectors away from employees for health checks, social services, immigration, and a host of things etc. It’s their profits too.

They will not be nice, in the off season, there is also no leverage to bargain with. If you’re into Defending the company you would be better off joining their side.

When I worked for the Whirlpool Corporation, their equivalent harvest time was late summer after their warehouses were all full of AC units. The contract time was before that in the spring ( better for the union for contract negotiations before warehouse was full ), but they conned a bunch of dumb red necks, southerners into moving the contract date to October.

When the warehouse was FULL, and they could last out a strike, and the union had non leverage.

The company told them told them it was Good Faith, good trust, good gentlemanly, things to do, respect bargaining with us etc.

And, when it was over, and they realise what happened and that contract came around? “ They said, Were not going to be gentlemanly, respectful, we’re not going to kiss you, we’re going to bend you over and we’re going Fuck the living hell out of you!!!!’ ( and we’re not going to use a condom !)

So, Tell me more about, about how the Union is the problem.
 

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So, Tell me more about, about how the Union is the problem.
OK.

From your article:

The California Agricultural Labor Relations Act of 1975 allows union organizers to enter the property of a business three times a day for 120 days a year. The organizers are permitted a visit of one hour to speak to workers at break time.

That, I think it's fair to say, is a VERY generous schedule.

But that's not what was happening. This is what was happening:

Mike Fahner, who owns a strawberry nursery in Dorris, California, says his business was stunned back in 2015 when at 5 a.m, without any prior notice, union organizers burst onto his property.
"We had strangers on bullhorns marching up and down our hallways in our sheds," Fahner said during a recent press call organized by his lawyers. "It was surreal, frightening, a bit scary and wrong."

So, sorry, but that does not sound like good faith to me. It sounds like union thugs trying to intimidate not only the business owners, but the workers themselves into joining the union out of fear and shock tactics.

If they had tried some crap like that at Charleston Litho, they would have wound up being shot to ribbons by the very employees they were trying to recruit.
 

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OK.

From your article:

The California Agricultural Labor Relations Act of 1975 allows union organizers to enter the property of a business three times a day for 120 days a year. The organizers are permitted a visit of one hour to speak to workers at break time.

That, I think it's fair to say, is a VERY generous schedule.

But that's not what was happening. This is what was happening:

Mike Fahner, who owns a strawberry nursery in Dorris, California, says his business was stunned back in 2015 when at 5 a.m, without any prior notice, union organizers burst onto his property.
"We had strangers on bullhorns marching up and down our hallways in our sheds," Fahner said during a recent press call organized by his lawyers. "It was surreal, frightening, a bit scary and wrong."

So, sorry, but that does not sound like good faith to me. It sounds like union thugs trying to intimidate not only the business owners, but the workers themselves into joining the union out of fear and shock tactics.

If they had tried some crap like that at Charleston Litho, they would have wound up being shot to ribbons by the very employees they were trying to recruit.
Yea, and they would have pulled time in prison too.

Even S.C.

see, my previous boss ( not my current boss ) who retired, grew up in Charleston SC. He’s black. I could tell by being around him whats it’s like in SC.

Anyway, I’ll stop right. Here.

I didn’t realized you felt this way about Unions.

I’ll never post anything else about unions anymore.

This will be the end of union postings.
 

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I don't hate unions. They can be a good thing.

But abuse is abuse. The same could be said for anything.

Just because we call out bad cops doesn't mean we hate cops.

It's just that reading that article, it seems to me that even giving the unions a very generous level of access wasn't enough.

That doesn't mean unions are bad, but it does seem clear that some of these farm labor unions took things way too far.