Supreme Court Upholds Arizona Voting Restrictions

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The Supreme Court on Thursday gave states new latitude to impose restrictions on voting, using a ruling in a case from Arizona to signal that challenges to laws being passed by Republican legislatures that make it harder for minority groups to vote would face a hostile reception from a majority of the justices.

The vote was 6 to 3, with the court’s three liberal members in dissent.

The decision was among the most consequential in decades on voting rights, and it was the first time the court had considered how a crucial part of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 applies to restrictions that have a particular impact on people of color.


You can either expand the court right now or become a republican so you have some status in the future....
 

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Brace yourself:

I agree with the decision. It was the right call.

First off, democrats are being just as bad if not worse than republicans when it comes to yelling "voter fraud", "voter suppression" or "voter restrictions". Arizona's two laws are very, very simple:
  • If you vote, you need to vote in your precinct, not somebody else's.
  • If you need to have someone deposit your mail-in ballot, it should be someone you know.
That's it. That's their laws.

Democrats claimed that those two laws adversely effect black people. How? They couldn't prove that, so the court ruled against them. It's that simple.

Ballot harvesting is problematic for two reasons:
  1. You don't know who is actually behind the company that's picking up your ballots, so you have no idea what is done with them or to them before they're delivered.
  2. You have no way of really knowing if your ballot you gave them was ever really delivered at all.
So imagine a scenario where a person that is a democrat sets up a ballot harvesting company, mails out a bunch of flyers to republican neighborhoods offering their service, goes out and picks up thousands of ballots and then simply burns them.

That can happen.

What Arizona is saying is they have no problem if you need someone to take your ballot to the post office or drop box. They just want it to be your neighbor, or the nephew that lives down the street, or a person from your church, just not some ballot harvesting company you don't know from Adam's housecat.

The other scenario is precinct voting. When you vote out of precinct you cause a lot of problems. Most importantly, depending on your state you may have different options on who you're actually voting for. (That's true here and in Arizona and many other states.)

Example: When I go to my voting center I don't have the option to vote on the congressman for the 15th district (Marjorie Taylor Green's district), I can only vote for the representative of the 7th district. But were I to drive up to Rome, Georgia, the ballot wouldn't have my representative on it, it would have the 15th district's representatives on it to vote for.

In essence, voting out of district has people on the ballot you're not even eligible to vote for, so during voter tallies they have to make sure that everybody votes in district and then remove all of the votes that aren't eligible while keeping the others.

Arizona is sick of sorting it out. You vote out of district, you're entire ballot is removed. It's that simple.

These are not "voter suppression" laws. This is common sense. If you can't be bothered to vote where you're supposed to for the people you're entitled to vote for, or you're too lazy to walk to your mail box or get your neighbor to drop your ballot off for you, then obviously voting is not something you're terribly interested in doing.

Either that, or you're up to committing voter fraud yourself.

As for packing the court, really, really bad idea. The only thing that will do is set the precedent for the GOP to expand it even further when they regain power, which they will. It's not a cure to a problem at all. It would in fact create an entirely new one.

It's the same reason democrats wont get rid of the filibuster. If you do, you render yourself powerless when you're in the minority, which dems probably will be a year from now.
 

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If you can't be bothered to vote where you're supposed to for the people you're entitled to vote for,

So I understand the mail/pick-up service law. I am curious what happens to someone in those states whose just moved or students attending university in state but away?

We have legal avenues for those folks to vote. What happens in a state like Arizona?

or you're too lazy to walk to your mail box or get your neighbor to drop your ballot off for you, then obviously voting is not something you're terribly interested in doing.

And I would have to agree with you there. I've often told the kids they have one responsibility - vote every election.
 
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I am curious what happens to someone in those states whose just moved or students attending university in state but away?
It depends on their legal address. For instance, in my daughter's case her registered permanent address is still here, so she can vote one of two ways:
  • Drive out here to vote and maybe visit for a while at the same time. :)
  • Request an absentee ballot which will have the same voting options on it that she would have if she voted here.
Pretty simple stuff. The same applies to military and folks who work out of state.

It's important to remember that the VAST majority of states work this way. Those Arizona laws are absolutely nothing new. In fact, they've been on the books since 2008 I think. Maybe longer.

What we have are democrats trying to go full-blown Karen over everything to make it sound like the GOP are out to kill the vote. The problem is, they are; but that is not an example of it. Most states have the same, exact laws. It's just a huge smear campaign against Arizona given how rancid the GOP is there.

By doing this the dems are crying wolf. A lot. It's detracting from the real issues of voter suppression that are going on.
 
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The shit that annoys me is them fucking with the amount of time polls are open and where they're open. Around here it's pretty much the same but in some places they close places down and open places up so often it's like they're deliberately trying to confuse people and fuck up their ability to vote.

What really pisses me off is that for 200+ years we never had a problem voting or trusting an election until the last 20 years thanks to the fucking GOP.
 
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The new Georgia laws are ridiculous in some cases. For instance, they want to limit the drop boxes to one per county.

Gwinnett County, Georgia, where I live, covers 437 square miles and has a population of just under 1 million people. It's roughly 7 times the size of Washington, D.C. and has a quarter of a million more people than they do and they want to give us 1 drop box.

:oops:

Yeah. It's getting stupid down here.