Clearview AI’s unlawful practices represented mass surveillance of Canadians, commissioners say

Zeedox

Resident Canadian
Dec 1, 2020
2,990
3,338
113
Canada's Ocean Playground

The investigation found that Clearview had collected highly sensitive biometric information without the knowledge or consent of individuals. Furthermore, Clearview collected, used and disclosed Canadians’ personal information for inappropriate purposes, which cannot be rendered appropriate via consent.

When presented with the investigative findings, Clearview argued that
......
Commissioners rejected these arguments. They were particularly concerned that the organization did not recognize that the mass collection of biometric information from billions of people, without express consent, violated the reasonable expectation of privacy of individuals and that the company was of the view that its business interests outweighed privacy rights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hugo Stiglitz

Gomez Adams

Grammar Fascist
Staff member
Dec 1, 2020
4,370
3,187
113
Suwanee, Georgia
exposingwot.com
Well, the company is right. Facebook, Instagram, etc. made all of that possible.

You can't willingly put all your information on the internet saying " look at me, follow me, look at everything I do" and then in the next breath say, "you have no right to the data I gave the world"
 

Hugo Stiglitz

Resident Vigilante
Dec 7, 2020
1,397
1,488
113
Second coming of Cambridge Analytica.

Well, the company is right. Facebook, Instagram, etc. made all of that possible.

You can't willingly put all your information on the internet saying " look at me, follow me, look at everything I do" and then in the next breath say, "you have no right to the data I gave the world"
Bullshit.

It's one thing to show your friends some pics of your beach vacation. It's another thing entirely for data farmers to come in, take all that, build data repositories of you and sell it to interested parties based on different criteria.

There's a big fucking difference between the two.
 

Zeedox

Resident Canadian
Dec 1, 2020
2,990
3,338
113
Canada's Ocean Playground
Well, the company is right. Facebook, Instagram, etc. made all of that possible.

You can't willingly put all your information on the internet saying " look at me, follow me, look at everything I do" and then in the next breath say, "you have no right to the data I gave the world"

The Canadian Privacy Commissioners disagree with you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hugo Stiglitz

Gomez Adams

Grammar Fascist
Staff member
Dec 1, 2020
4,370
3,187
113
Suwanee, Georgia
exposingwot.com
The Canadian Privacy Commissioners disagree with you.
Well, they can all they want to but it's not going to matter. About the only choice Canada will have in the matter is to block any and all social media sites from the internet.

Good luck with that.

Second coming of Cambridge Analytica.
It's not just that. The social media companies themselves collect the data and sell it. They're all doing the same thing.

It's one thing to show your friends some pics of your beach vacation. It's another thing entirely for data farmers to come in, take all that, build data repositories of you and sell it to interested parties based on different criteria.
I have a word for you: responsibility.

There's a reason people generally don't wear Nazi uniforms to work. Used to, they did that sort of thing at home, alone, with the blinds and curtains drawn.

Social media however has brought them out of the closet. The very same stupidity (posting everything on social media) that is helping to call out and apprehend law breakers is the same as those who contribute to data farmers.

Every single one has an agreement you sign. Nobody reads it. It literally gives them the right to do anything they want with what you contribute to them.

There's a similar law on the books in most jurisdictions called "exhibitionism".

Here's how it works: A couple is having sex in the privacy of their own bedroom. They neglected to draw the curtains, so you sneak around back to get a better view and watch them.

That is invasion of privacy and you'll go to jail for it.

BUT

If that same couple lives in a condo on the beach facing the boardwalk where hundreds of people per hour walk past their bedroom window, and they decide to have sex with the blinds open every afternoon in front of everybody, that's called exhibitionism and anybody that looks, takes pictures, or whatnot is not breaking any law at all.

This is the same thing. Nobody is "stealing" anything from anybody. Nobody is sneaking around back to look in a window. They're simply looking at all the exhibitionism people hurl piece meal all over social media and finding a market for it.
 

Gomez Adams

Grammar Fascist
Staff member
Dec 1, 2020
4,370
3,187
113
Suwanee, Georgia
exposingwot.com
Within the dwelling is an expectation of privacy up here.
Just because the blinds are open doesn't mean you get to photo it and blast the world with it.
There is here too. But you're neglecting the fact that people abuse it with exhibition.

You have the right to privacy in your own home, but if you're yelling at the top of your lungs and other people report on what you said, did they invade your privacy?

No.

If you constantly, night after night, day after day, make it a point to open your blinds and have sex when you know full well hundreds of people are outside your window, do you blame the people outside or the exhibitionist that set the whole thing up?

Do you have the right to share pictures of your vacation with friends? Absolutely! Email them. Hold a Zoom meeting.

If you post it all on social media and ask all of your 15,298 "followers" to "like it" and comment on it, you have waved your right to privacy over it. At that point, it's a public exhibition and fair game for anybody to use.
 

Zeedox

Resident Canadian
Dec 1, 2020
2,990
3,338
113
Canada's Ocean Playground
If you constantly, night after night, day after day, make it a point to open your blinds and have sex when you know full well hundreds of people are outside your window, do you blame the people outside or the exhibitionist that set the whole thing up?

There is 'news-worthiness' which may over-ride privacy rights (malls, private property). Now there was a case about 30 years ago of a gentleman who walked by his front bay window fully naked as the school bus went by. It was only after the second reports the following day that the police visited and made sure the individual understood about lewd conduct. It was another 2 days of "window walk-by's" before he was arrested. The only pics were of the house.
Now, that was 30 years ago and social media has been born in between but there would still be a need for news-worthiness about it to freely photo and publish. In your case if said couple understood their behaviour would become news-worthy by a police visit then the photos would be allowed and legal for use.
 

Gomez Adams

Grammar Fascist
Staff member
Dec 1, 2020
4,370
3,187
113
Suwanee, Georgia
exposingwot.com
In your case if said couple understood their behaviour would become news-worthy by a police visit then the photos would be allowed and legal for use.
Is there any other way to see it?

Your window faces a street frequented by hundreds of people PER HOUR. Yet you leave your blinds open 24/7 and have sex knowing they're all out there?

Again, you post pictures, places, information on a social media site with hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, millions of "followers" on it and then want to say "that's private!"?

You have no case. At all. Nor does your government. IF (and it's a huge IF) it were ever to go to court, they would simply show where they got the images and information.

Exhibit A: picture of children. Follwers: 1,594. Likes: 1180.

You're then going to argue that was "private"?

Good luck with that.
 

Zeedox

Resident Canadian
Dec 1, 2020
2,990
3,338
113
Canada's Ocean Playground
Your window faces a street frequented by hundreds of people PER HOUR. Yet you leave your blinds open 24/7 and have sex knowing they're all out there?

Apartment and condo dwellers do it all the time.

But up here, behind a window is private dwelling and those photos/videos will get you a privacy charge.
 

Hugo Stiglitz

Resident Vigilante
Dec 7, 2020
1,397
1,488
113
Is there any other way to see it?

Your window faces a street frequented by hundreds of people PER HOUR. Yet you leave your blinds open 24/7 and have sex knowing they're all out there?

Again, you post pictures, places, information on a social media site with hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, millions of "followers" on it and then want to say "that's private!"?

You have no case. At all. Nor does your government. IF (and it's a huge IF) it were ever to go to court, they would simply show where they got the images and information.

Exhibit A: picture of children. Follwers: 1,594. Likes: 1180.

You're then going to argue that was "private"?

Good luck with that.
They broadcast the superbowl to millions. It's still against the law for anybody to steal the images and video of it without permission.

Privacy and right of copyright are the same thing. Just because you share a story with 1000 people doesn't wave all your rights of ownership.