Alec Baldwin needs to go to jail.

Gomez Adams

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There.

I said it.

Here's why:

I'm sick of people harping on and on about the report that whoever handed him the gun said it was a "cold gun" and as such was not loaded. That is irrelevant.

Pointing a gun, loaded or unloaded, at anybody is stupid. Pointing a gun you THINK is unloaded because somebody said it wasn't without checking it yourself is stupid beyond words. Pulling the trigger on that gun is simply criminally negligent.

The litmus test for this is: I hand you my S&W 45 and tell you it's not loaded. Are you going to put that gun to your head and pull the trigger?

No?

Why not?

Because that's EXACTLY what Alec Baldwin did, only he pointed it at somebody else and pulled the trigger.
 
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There.

I said it.

Here's why:

I'm sick of people harping on and on about the report that whoever handed him the gun said it was a "cold gun" and as such was not loaded. That is irrelevant.

Pointing a gun, loaded or unloaded, at anybody is stupid. Pointing a gun you THINK is unloaded because somebody said it wasn't without checking it yourself is stupid beyond words. Pulling the trigger on that gun is simply criminally negligent.

The litmus test for this is: I hand you my S&W 45 and tell you it's not loaded. Are you going to put that gun to your head and pull the trigger?

No?

Why not?

Because that's EXACTLY what Alec Baldwin did, only he pointed it at somebody else and pulled the trigger.
Absolutely, I’ve been saying that since it happened. It shouldn’t be Refered to as an accident, it was negligence!!!
 
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I'll take negligent manslaughter for the person who handed the gun to Baldwin and called it "cold". From what I have read there were way too many people putting hands in the armourers jobs (and it was her first time I am led to understand).

Yes, as professionals who've handled weapons or as someone who has dealt with weapons-handling, most (hopefully all) of us understand that you take a weapon - you make sure it is safe or you control it in a safe manner. It was the first thing I taught my boys with just a BB gun - always assume a gun is loaded.

I will say that I can see an exception on a movie-set where a supposed "professional" armourer is involved. Just as a demolition crew doesn't want anyone touching the "wires", I would suspect professional armourers are very touchie/careful about how the weapons are handled on set.
I wouldn't doubt there are onset protocols about actors (or anyone) "checking" the preset weapons so no one fucks with a properly "loaded" movie weapon who is not part of the armourers.
 

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Last week, Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds with a prop firearm after being told it was “cold,” an industry term meaning a weapon is not loaded with ammunition, the Los Angeles Times said. At least one employee complained to a production manager about gun safety on set, the newspaper reported, citing unnamed crew members.

The same mistake may have occurred on Thursday, according to court records. An assistant director, Dave Halls, handed Baldwin the prop gun and told him it was a “cold gun,” according to an affidavit from the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office.

This assistant director, if he is not in the armourers direct working line, is the man who needs a negligent homicide charge.
 

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Here's the problem I have with that:

Brandon Lee's death was a tragic accident. A piece of projectile had been stuck in the barrel and wasn't noticed when the blank was loaded. So when they filmed the scene where the bad guy shoots at him, turns out that's what actually happened. The blank powered the projectile into Brandon, killing him.

But there was a reason that happened. Two, actually:

First, the part of the projectile that broke off in the barrel could have been missed by anybody. Second, they were actually filming a scene where the gun was supposed to be discharged while aimed.

What the flying hell was Alec Baldwin doing pointing the gun at the cinematographer and pulling the trigger when she wasn't in the movie and no film was rolling?

I'll tell you EXACTLY what he was doing: Being the careless asshole he is in real life.
 

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They say he was practicing drawing the gun when it went off. I don't know if I buy that. What the fuck are you doing drawing a gun and pointing it at a woman? Or anybody for that matter.
 

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They say he was practicing drawing the gun when it went off. I don't know if I buy that. What the fuck are you doing drawing a gun and pointing it at a woman? Or anybody for that matter.
I wish people would stop saying “the gun went off” or “the gun discharged” or “the gun accidentally…”. It makes it sound like the gun was at fault. Instead say, “ when Baldwin fired the gun” , “when Baldwin pulled the trigger”. Remember it’s the person holding the gun that does the shooting.