All calls are simply agreed upon opinions (because a ref/umpire made the call) until a machine is involved to measure accuracy.
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I don't know how on earth you can see it that way. There is no "opinion" on if a glass is sitting on a table. It either is or it isn't. In much the same way there is no "opinion" on if a ball crossed the plate or not. It either did or it didn't. There is no opinion on if a guy was over the line of scrimmage before the ball was snapped. He either was or he wasn't.
On the other hand, nobody can say if a couples costumes are nice, fantastic, good looking, ugly, average or whatever with anything resembling certainty. Because that is ENTIRELY the opinion of the beholder.
Edit to add: There were two mistakes made in the Superbowl last night. One was a holding call that gave the Rams a first down and another chance at a touchdown. There was no holding, but from where the official was standing it looked like there was.
The second was the Bengals long touchdown pass. There was offensive pass interference that wasn't called. The touchdown shouldn't have counted.
Were either of those calls "opinions"?
No. They were simply mistakes in fact.
Did either of them change the outcome? Well, no. Because since both mistakes were made a wrong was actually righted. The Bengals benefitted from a bad call that gave them a touchdown. The Rams did as well. So in the end neither missed call matters. They worked out equally.
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A baseball cleanly crossing a plate is one thing but let's be honest here - outside balls, curves, etc, push the lines and a an ump makes the final call when its close to the box lines - that's opinion.
I do agree costumes should never be judged. In fact all skaters should be wearing the same outfits. I actually did not realize point may be lost for tight pants - that's a little ridiculous.
That's called working the corners. I did it when I played. It's pretty difficult to do.
But there is no opinion. The ball either crosses the plate or it doesn't. The object is to use spin on the ball to curve it to where it barely crosses the outside or inside corner of the front or rear of the plate.
Greg Maddox was the master at it. People used to pull their hair out over it but when they'd show a replay that ball would cross just over the back side corner of the plate.
Every. Single. Time.
I remember Tom Glavin getting into it with Harry Windlestat (plate umpire). Glavin was mad that Windlestat wasn't "giving him the corner". Tom's argument was, "I'm putting it in the same exact place every time!"
Harry shot back, "You sure are. And you're missing that corner by half an inch. EVERY SINGLE TIME."
Again, it crosses the plate at some point or it doesn't.
It's worse than that. Here are the categories of scoring:
- Skating skills
- Transitions (footwork and movement that link all elements)
- Performance (choreography, emotion)
- Composition (how the arrangement is put together)
- Performance and execution (style, precision, personality)
But choreography?!
Emotion?!
Music, costume combination choice?!
Personality?!
WTF?!
It's like they're judging Miss America, not anything remotely resembling a sport.
Winter Olympics 2022 - How are figure skating scores judged? Who chooses outfits? - Eurosport
Figure skating is well underway at the Winter Olympics but how is it scored? And who chooses the outfits? Eurosport has you covered.
www.eurosport.com
Yet another bullshit ruling:
www.cnn.com
And here comes the payoff:
Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.
Russian skating star Kamila Valieva cleared to skate at Beijing Games
Teenage Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva will vie for gold in one of the Olympics' most high profile events Tuesday, after being cleared to compete amid a doping controversy that's cast a shadow over Russia's involvement in the Games.
Teenage Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva will vie for gold in one of the Olympics' most high profile events Tuesday, after being cleared to compete amid a doping controversy that's cast a shadow over Russia's involvement in the Games.
Fifteen-year-old Valieva has been at the center of rapidly unfolding scandal following revelations she tested positive for a banned substance in December -- a finding that only came to light days into the Beijing Olympics and after the star skater helped the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) win gold in the figure skating team event.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) ruled Monday that Valieva could compete in the short program of the women's single skating competition, an event that she's a favorite to win.
And here comes the payoff:
The IOC executive board announced later Monday there would be no medal ceremonies for the completed team event or the women's single skating competition, should Valieva place in the top three, until it was established whether the skater had violated anti-doping regulations.
So in other words they're clearing a known cheater to compete in the Olympics and they'll cover it all up by not having a medal ceremony to rub it in the faces of the honest competitors when she wins.Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.
OK. Pass interference then. You know as well as I do that there are two kinds of officials when it comes to that. There's the throw a flag if you even get within a yard of the reciever ref and then there's the you can gang rape the reciever all the way down the fucking field if you want to ref. Even the announcers comment on that shit. Looks like they're going to let them play or some shit like that.
And you're going to tell me umpires call balls and strikes the same way from the AL to the NL? Bull fucking shit. I've seen NL umps give a pitcher they like 2 inches of invisible fucking plate on the outside corner. I've also seen AL umps call strikes you'd have to get on a fucking step ladder to hit they're so goddamed high.
You're just flat out fucking wrong. Yes there are the rules but those rules are subject to however that particular ump wants to call them.
But you are right about skating. Not a fucking sport. Unless you're carrying a stick, hitting a puck and body checking the fuck out of some asshole who is in desperate need of it.
I get it. So black American chick that smoke a joint a week before the games is shitcanned immediately but the white Russian chick that got busted for performance enhancing drugs is cleared to skate. Not the least bit unfair or unbiased at all.Yet another bullshit ruling:
Russian skating star Kamila Valieva cleared to skate at Beijing Games
Teenage Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva will vie for gold in one of the Olympics' most high profile events Tuesday, after being cleared to compete amid a doping controversy that's cast a shadow over Russia's involvement in the Games.
Teenage Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva will vie for gold in one of the Olympics' most high profile events Tuesday, after being cleared to compete amid a doping controversy that's cast a shadow over Russia's involvement in the Games.Fifteen-year-old Valieva has been at the center of rapidly unfolding scandal following revelations she tested positive for a banned substance in December -- a finding that only came to light days into the Beijing Olympics and after the star skater helped the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) win gold in the figure skating team event.The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) ruled Monday that Valieva could compete in the short program of the women's single skating competition, an event that she's a favorite to win.
And here comes the payoff:
The IOC executive board announced later Monday there would be no medal ceremonies for the completed team event or the women's single skating competition, should Valieva place in the top three, until it was established whether the skater had violated anti-doping regulations.So in other words they're clearing a known cheater to compete in the Olympics and they'll cover it all up by not having a medal ceremony to rub it in the faces of the honest competitors when she wins.
Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.
Fucking assholes.
And there is a definition for that which someone (not a machine) decides if the condition has been fulfilled. Perhaps opinion is the wrong word but 'the call' is still only as good as the person making 'the call'. That means variables that each individual sees differently.
